Februari 25, 2017
[music playing] [chattering] director (offscreen):[inaudible] [starting pitches givenby keyboard] [music - "si hei lwli mabi"] interviewer (offscreen): howold were you when started taking drugs? amy protheroe (offscreen): wheni first started taking dope and valium and thingslike that, i was 12.
cornelius collins (offscreen):i was 11 when i started smoking dope, then valiumand eggs and speed. amy protheroe (offscreen):when i started taking heroin i was 14. my mother startedgiving it to me. cornelius collins (offscreen): iwas 15 when i started taking heroin and crack. i was dealing by the timei was 16 with my father. amy protheroe (offscreen): iwas homeless when i was 12.
and when i was 14, i went backto live with my mother, and within three months of goingback to my mother, i was taking heroin. she sent me to work in aparlour-- do you know a massage parlour-- when i was 14, wasn't it? cornelius collins (offscreen):it was not a parlour. it was a fucking whore house,not a massage parlour. amy protheroe (offscreen):yeah.
when i was 14, she sent meto work in one of them. cornelius collins (offscreen):that's the posh word for them, isn't it? amy protheroe (offscreen): andall the money that i was earning, i was giving toher and her boyfriend. cornelius collins (offscreen):that's because people like us grow up with parents who areselling drugs and doing drugs, you learn where you live. amy protheroe (offscreen):you end up copying.
cornelius collins (offscreen):right. you end up kind of doing whatyour parents did, because you think that's what's the norm. that's what normalityis to you. amy protheroe: oh, oh. amy protheroe loves corneliuscollins forever, 2008. cornelius collins: it's just alittle reminder to the world that she loves me. amy protheroe: he's my baby.
i loves him. we've been together nearlyfour years, haven't we? cornelius collins: yeah. well, three years, 9 months. amy protheroe: i lied about myage when i got with him. i told him i was 16. i was only 15. i wrote that. cornelius collins: she didit when i was in jail.
interviewer (offscreen): 2008,october last year. amy protheroe: i wason suicide watch. 24/7, they made sure someonewas with me all the time, because i was depressed. i used to sleep with his red gapjumper and cuddle into it. i never washed it. i'd smell him, yeah? cornelius collins: don't-- hey.
amy protheroe: but we've hadsome hard times, haven't we? we've had a lot of trouble. we recently lost a baby. didn't we, corneil? we recently lost our baby. cornelius collins: sort meout with a glug of that. amy protheroe: didn't we? cornelius collins: let's talkabout better things, amy. amy protheroe: no, wait.
but i'm explaining, that's howwe went downhill so rapidly. cornelius collins: well,whatever, innit. amy protheroe: i was eight anda half months pregnant. my baby was born stillborn. i had a little boy. and after that happened, we juststarted drinking really heavily, didn't we, babes? because we neverused to drink. you hated drinking,didn't you?
cornelius collins: yep. i did. amy protheroe: we started offdrinking a little bit, and then when the baby died, thatwas it, our heads went. cornelius collins: give us aglug on that, babes, please. amy protheroe: i don'twant to, shove off. cornelius collins: no, man. oh, this one's fucking dirty. [inaudible].
andrew williamson: lighter? the lighter? where's that filter? you're a dozy fucker. lighter. it's like talking tothe fucking wall with you lot, man. cornelius collins: haven'tgot a lighter. andrew williamson: amy, haveyou got a lighter?
[whistles] andrew williamson: yeah, that'snice as fuck, that is. lovely gear, that is. andrew williamson (offscreen):i wish i'd said this when i was sober. i'm having to maintain myself ona seriously addictive drug. just make sure youwait for me. i'll come into townwith you, innit? cornelius collins: we'llmeet you round the
back of the ym, yeah? derek james: i heard adefinition many years ago about the difference a northwalian and a south walian. and the difference was betweenbelt and braces. the south walian always worea belt slung under his beer belly, and was a roistering,boisterous taffy. whereas a north walian alwayswore braces and hunched them forward as if he were foreverplodding uphill. most of the coal that was minedin the swansea area and
up the swansea valleywas used in swansea for the metal refining. swansea was then, at one time,the major metal refining center for the entire world. that's an example from the olddays, when children were underground. and it was only about 1840- oddthat they raised the age of children workingunderground to 12. but no, mrs. thatchershut the lot down.
it's awful when you think thatthe amount of skill and the amount of knowledge that washere, the knowledge base that they had, and it alljust withered away. employment after the heavyindustry went as not good. there was a short period in the'60s when there was quite a lot of work around. but that declined all throughthe '70s and the '80s, until the late '90s. yeah, that's played a part inthe present drug problem, i
think, in swansea, andthe alcoholism. of course, the system underwhich we live-- the capitalist system--is so competitive. and it's a continual stresson the individual. and younger people, i feel, whocan't get into the stream and compete and can't getwork just lose heart. and then they descend into adrug culture, which is almost a subculture now. danielle gray: (singing)swansea, oh
swansea, swansea city. living on the lamppostuntil the day i die. (speaking) something likethat, isn't it? josie: my name's josie. danielle gray: my nameis danielle gray and i'm from swansea. we're stepsisters. josie: we're stepsisters. danielle gray: that we are.
interviewer (offscreen):stepsisters. danielle gray: there's 12of us all together. interviewer (offscreen):right. danielle gray: there's me,rachel, ciaran, becca, teagan, gemma, emma, then it's ryan,reagan, brandon, and timmy and teagan. and my daughter's namedcourtney-lee-- 28th of the fifth-- it's a bit fadedat the moment.
josie: "dad", i put there. danielle gray: they're prisontattoos, they are. josie: i got "mum" there. danielle gray: you'vegot her ex-missus named leanne up there. that's fucked it off. josie: fucked off. my ex-girlfriend's name there. i've got my ex-boyfriend'sname--
danielle gray: on thatside, isn't it? yeah, mark. i got a daughter. she's three years old now. and if you look there, i got acesarean, from there to there. i sees her every tuesday between10:00 and 12:00. she's brilliant. she goes, mummy, dani,where's my daddy? i goes, working away.
but he was in prison. he came out the other day. no, she doesn't want tosee him and that. two days ago, my mother was abit drunk, and she hit me. i hit her back. and she bit my nose fromthere to there. interviewer (offscreen): whathappened to your face there? josie: oh, i was jumpedby two girls, i was. in swansea?
danielle gray: yeah. it's gone down. rough area. josie: rough, yeah. danielle gray: realrough area. interviewer (offscreen): why? josie: because of the drugs. danielle gray: but now you'vegot kids at ages 12 and 13-- josie: taking heroin.
danielle gray: they'retaking heroin. josie: there's dealersselling it to them-- danielle gray: exactly. josie: and they don't reallycare about them, as long as they get their money. danielle gray: they won't careif a 12-year-old or an 11 goes, oh, have you gota bag and that? oh, yeah, have yougot a tenner? yeah, here's a bag and that.
do you know what i mean? josie: they just don't care. danielle gray: no. they should have more respect. cornelius collins: right, you'vegot sands, which is for over-18s, and sandpit, down innash house, for under-18s. this is a drug agency. they offer counseling. they can help you get onopiate prescribing--
methadone, subutex, suboxoneneedle exchange. they do a men's day on awednesday, when you go in and have some toast and tea, andjust have a chat with all the boys in there. john frith: thanks, lynn. is everybody here? this is another counselingroom, which we'd call a family room. first point of call wouldnormally be the needle
exchange, where we'dfirst engage with-- interviewer (offscreen):why's that? john frith: a lot of them wouldactually come here and be asking for clean needles. and so we've got thecookers, then. this is the most populartype of needle. so this is a 1 mil syringe. you hear about people drawingup water from puddles. we have got water ampules aswell, which you can put in the
cooker and mix withthe heroin. people will still use whetherwe were here or not. where there's a way,they'll find a way. you can actually inject intoyour anus, where there's lots of blood vessels closeto the surface. people are beginning toinject crack now. most people are stillactually smoking it. andrew williamson: this is howcomplicated it is to get drugs, but this isto get crack.
basically, i've gotto get there. i'll ring him on the way--say i'm in a taxi. i meet him by a certain shop. hello? yeah? righto. no, i will. i will comply. at 11:30.
and what's the time now? right. ok. ok, i'll be there at 11:30. my drug worker, that was. i got a phone call about mymedication, because i'm banned from the building, dueto an incident. i've got to meet the ladyoutside there at half past 11. and she'll go throughthings with me.
and it's involving my methadoneprescription, it is. i'm on my way up in a taxinow, mate, yeah? i've got to be back by theymca at ha;f past 11. so, step on it, driver, asthey say in the films. yeah, i take crackrecreationally. it's not something i makea habit of doing. it's not physically addictive,so it's-- interviewer (offscreen):you don't think so? andrew williamson: well,textbook, it's
not physically addictive. i have come off it before. and i have vomited blood. i drank 60 mil of methadone. and then an hour later, iinjected 2 mil of subutex. and i tell you what, it was oneof the worst cold turkeys i've ever been throughin my entire life. any users who watch thisprogram, never ever do that. i don't want to be vulgar,yeah, but you could have
fitted a watermelon up myasshole, that's how disg-- it came out of me like piss. and i laid on my bed with myeyes like 50 pence pieces-- the old 50 pence pieces. i'm there now, yeah. interviewer (offscreen):you all right? andrew williamson: yeah,safe, sorted. interviewer (offscreen): good. andrew williamson:that's the crack.
kim, it's andrew, it is. right, love, i'm going to beabout 10 minutes later, is that all right? yeah, i know, i know. but i've got to pick up acounter payment from the job center, see? yeah, no. this won't happen again. this is a one off.
yeah, i know, love,but please. i promise you i'll be 10minutes, at the most, late. i didn't realize i was going toget a phone call saying to be at the job center. i got a phone call afteri spoke to you, you know what i mean? i didn't realize thiswas going to happen. ok, my love, i'll be there. ok, thanks.
bye. ooh. she weren't happy. she bought it. oh, jesus. christ. ah, shit. i haven't got a lighter. fucking frank [inaudible].
right, this is the wire wool. you've got to burn this first toget the toxicity out of it. [accompanist plays choir'sbeginning pitches offscreen] [dunvant male voice choirsinging "si hei lwli madi"] andrew williamson: the goodthing about a glass pipe is residue collects, and youcan clean it out. and what you clean out is betterthan what you smoked the first time round. one more pipe, boys,and we're away.
fuck it. aw, i left your lighter,didn't i? ah, for fuck's sake. if it was better stuff, i'dstill be rushing my tits off, i'd still be-- [panting] [deep exhalation] andrew williamson: it's a bitof a double-edged sword, me arriving late.
she might have someone-- i was wondering, they might havesomeone waiting there to maybe arrest me for the theftof the magazines. ah, come on, mate. please. get out of the fucking way. oh my god, what'sthis traffic? it's driving me nuts. well, mate, i'm going toget out and run, yeah?
lee dennis: well, we've knowneach other years. i mean, we always used to bumpinto each other and talk. rachel rees: we used to havea nice chat, didn't we? lee dennis: i mean, she'sa tidy girl, like. rachel rees: my ex was givingme a few hidings here and there, like. dennis is there. have a chat with dennis-- this,that, and the other. tidy guy.
and that's how weclicked, really. lee dennis: i mean, i'vealways had a little soft spot for her. rachel rees: we'll see how itgoes from here now, isn't it? lee dennis: yeah. rachel rees: just take it day byday and help each other out as much as we can. lee dennis: february 27,i got out of jail. but when i moved in here,it was stinking.
this is my bedroom. i'm gonna put mybed down here. put the bed down here-- i got my bedside cabinet-- and lay the carpet and put mywardrobes down here and my chest of drawers behindthe door. rachel rees: you can't putit in your ear, can he? lee dennis: it's allright like that. that's my first ever swanseacity tattoo--
the proudest ever. i've been to a few prisons, aswell, and i always wear it with pride, always walk aroundwith my top off. and i want to get clean. i'm starting treatment now onthe 26th of this month. because i tattooed myself injail, i had test results done. i had a letter then fromthe nurse, saying come down and see me. i need to see you urgently.
and when i went down, she says,i'm very sorry, but you have got hep c. i'm gonnatry a cupboard, put a cupboard up on here. i'm gonna paint the ceiling. i'm gonna paint that. it'll probably be tomorrow. and look, there'sbits of blood. when you're cooking upand that, you draw the blood into yourself.
and when you draw so much in,there's a little bit of blood left in, and theyjust squirt it. there was some onhere as well. i put a bit on there. my stereo's in my mum's it is. what kind of musicdo you like? lee dennis: i like all differenttypes of music. i got loads of music here. r&b, garage, r&b, fleetwoodmac seven wonders--
if i live to see theseven wonders. rachel rees: therewas an abscess. i had to go in for an operationon that, because i missed there. you know, basically, myveins are kaput now. that's going intoanother abscess. that one's not too bad. if i wasn't on the heroin, i'dcry my eyes out for my kids now, you know?
don't get me wrong, i lovethem all to bits, but you know, i can't really see themwhile i'm in this predicament. lee dennis: this is gonnago up in my bedroom. rachel rees: otherway round, babes. lee dennis: is that all right? rachel rees: the otherway, babes. lee dennis: (singing) when i wasjust a little boy, i asked my mother, what shall i be? shall i be swansea?
shall i be scum? this is what she said to me. take your father's gun, andshoot the cardiff scum. forever will be, my son. you'll always be swansea. who are we? jack army! lee anderson: lee anderson, inswansea, like, in a shared flat, with smackheads,down and outs.
clint ryan jones: aye. all right? this is clint, the oldfamous clinty. this is a friend's bedsit,as they call it. he said i could stay here for acouple of days, so i've made myself a room. [farting] lee anderson: oh, had tocome out, didn't it? clint ryan jones: i started aprogram now with methadone.
it's done me a world of good. for some people, it'llmake them worse. and then they have aheroin habit on top of a methadone habit. lee anderson: it's peoplelike clint are stupid. they think it's the answer. but it's not. interviewer (offscreen):you disagree with him? clint ryan jones: it's goingagain in a minute.
clint ryan jones: right. better out than in, isn't it? you know what i mean? because i went off the heroin,and when i get to that point when it's making me better, i'llstop using heroin, and then eventually, in a couple ofmonths, gradually come off the methadone. and i'll be a brand new, squeakyclean person again. lee anderson: withrotten teeth.
kristian evans: i've been onit since i can remember-- 14, which is the bestpart of my life. clint ryan jones: anyway,i'm just doing about my day to day thing. come on, let's go downthe shop now. kristian evans: is it? lee anderson (offscreen):come along if you want. kristian evans: hm? well, if it's all about him--he's a fucking idiot.
clint ryan jones: before i hadthe bedsit, this is where we used to go up to have a dig. "dig up" means inject yourheroin and what have you. bish, bash, bosh. lee anderson: look,there's pin tops. look, there, wherehe's standing. clint ryan jones: this is wherewe used to go for a pipe, down here. this is where we used to go.
lee anderson: we started-- we get the needles from there. kristian evans: it'sour fault why the needles are down there. lee anderson: yeah. people should clean up. kristian evans: theygive us things-- clint ryan jones: hang on, letme put this camera right now. hang on.
it's not our fault the needlesare down there. we clean up whatwe used to use. kristian evans: yeah, yeah. clint ryan jones: months ago,when i used to come here, i always used to take my doingswith me and put them in the same bin and take them backto the drug project. the dirty smackheads that arearound that leave needles about then and what have you-- we are the clean smackheads,the user.
we are users, not smackheads. whoa, watch you don't sit onany fucking needles, mate. kristian evans: i would havethought the heroin consumption-- considering that 90% of heroincomes from afghanistan, how much has come into the country,considering a our british troops-- clint ryan jones: but it'snot all about fucking afghanistan, really.
why are we using it, you know? kristian evans: yes, i know. but the documentary'sabout how there's been such an increase. clint ryan jones: yeah, butthey want to know about swansea and things-- why are we using it so much? and basically, at theend of the day-- kristian evans: well, i wasn'ttalking about that.
clint ryan jones: why? because there's boredom. kristian evans: i think thata lot of heroin addicts are using the actual, "oh, i'maddicted to heroin" to get away with the way that they'relooking, the way that they talk to people, and theactual way that they live their lifestyle. i like to think that i'veproven them all wrong. i've been a heroin addict sincei was 18 years of age,
which is nearly 10 years. yeah, i'm well known around townfor shoplifting to fund for my habit. but fingers crossed, that ifsomeone walked past me in the street, they wouldn'tthink that i was a dodgy-looking bastard-- excuse my french-- and consider me to look like atypical smackhead like you see off trainspotting, you know?
i can't see any reason why ican't turn my life around. lee anderson: [inaudible]. clint ryan jones: ok, wehaving a dig, are we? man (offscreen): yeah. clint ryan jones: positivemental attitude, as i put underneath. you know, i wake up in the bedin the morning, and i thought, i see the sign that'son the wall. so i look and i think, right.
pma, pma-- positive mental attitude. so, at the end of the day,positive mental attitude. right, what am i goingto do today? straight to the chemist--they'll have my methadone-- positive mental attitude. there's one. number two, go and scorea fucking bag. positive mental attitude,yeah?
my spelling's not toogood, though. sorry. i just want to be part of mykids and my ex-wife, you know? i just want the chanceto be a daddy, yeah? i love my babies. i said to myself, pma. i'm going to stop using any typeof drug before i get in touch with my children everagain, because it wouldn't be fair on my children if iwas to go, oh, that's
my daddy, that is. ah, but your daddy's a junkie. cornelius collins (offscreen):my old man's never been on the streets, homeless. he's just been a junkie and adrug dealer most of his life, and a burglar, and inand out of jail. he's not selling drugs at themoment or committing crime, but he's still using drugs. sean collins: pleasedon't litter or
urinate on the stairs. they want to put with that "oruse needles." that's for them to have a boot, smoke the heroinon the foil that's probably two days,between three. interviewer (offscreen): so howmany do you drink a day? sean collins: about 12 each. about 12 each, yeah. come on. come on, celine.
libby collins (offscreen): no,you can't have a joint. male speaker (offscreen):of course we can. male speaker: yeah, you can. libby collins (offscreen):where's my can, then? hang on, let me have a can. carlo: can you just get onebetween me and you? libby collins: why? dad. sean collins (offscreen):i put it on top of
there, right by you. libby collins: four cans, dad! cornelius collins:yeah, no, it is. sorry, i've picked yours up. libby collins: dad, come here. dad, just come here a sec. it's in your hand. sean collins: it's not. i just opened it.
libby collins: yeah, and you'vegot one in the fridge. come here. sean collins: no, i haven't. libby collins: yes, you have. that one in the fridgeis yours, daddy. cornelius collins: that's carlo,my sister's boyfriend. this is my sister, libby. libby collins: hi. cornelius collins (offscreen):my old man, sean.
dad's mate, darren. and my missus, amy, whoyou've met already. carlo: well, i've known her foryears, but we recently got to meet on the streets, yeah? libby collins: yeah, wemet drinking in town. carlo: in town. drinking in town. interviewer (offscreen):in the last four years, everyone's said there's been alot more heroin in swansea.
is that true? libby collins: oh, yeah. sean collins: lots of it. you've got to go backfrom the '60s. you've got to take it fromthe '60s, really. you could do chemists,and it'd be amazing. you know, it's be wooden-- male speaker (offscreen):morphine and-- sean collins: shut up.
shh. shut up. libby collins (offscreen):people of these days, they're just growing up-- carlo (offscreen): they'regrowing up around it. yeah. libby collins (offscreen):everybody's doing gear, because everybody's doing it. you know, people just don't carenow, because their mother
or their father or theirbrother or their cousin is doing it. they're all doing it. sean collins: it don't make nodifference about your mother or your father-- male speaker (offscreen):of course it do. sean collins: it's about you. it's about you. it's your brain.
libby collins (offscreen):look at kids now. 10, 20 years ago, itwas different. look at them now. sean collins: and yet my-- libby collins (offscreen):[inaudible] no, hang on. i'm not saying it's the parents'responsibility. what i'm saying is, if you'reround people doing it. if your mother and your father,your aunt and your
uncle, or anybody that's aroundyou 24/7 is on heroin, obviously, you're goingto take it. i'm not blaming youor mammy, dad. i'm just saying, i got suckedinto the wrong circle. darren: [inaudible]. sean collins: right. hang on, now. how did you get suckedinto it? i never used in front of you.
your mother never usedin front of you. cornelius collins: right. as a kid, i did catch you dosedup on the toilet with the works in your arms. shit like that. sean collins: yeah. cornelius collins:right, started smoking fags and drinking. then i went to smoking dope.
then i went to smokingdope with you. seeing you smoking dope oncei'd started smoking dope. but that's part ofit, isn't it? drink and drugs. that's the circle you're in. libby collins (offscreen): heshouldn't have been should he? cornelius collins: not now,i've got an abscess. sean collins: i know. i've never laid afinger on him.
i think once i hityou, didn't i? one time. libby collins (offscreen):don't get into this now. speak to these questions. sean collins: and thatwas in another house. amy protheroe: how long wasyou homeless for, carlo? carlo: i'm luckyat the moment. i've got a girlfriend witha flat at the moment. so god knows what's gonna happenif she kicks me out.
libby collins: well, if you werea bit nicer, you wouldn't be worrying, would you, love? cornelius collins: how manytimes have you been into detox and rehab and whatever? sean collins: detox. i've been to detox about-- cornelius collins:10, 12 times? sean collins: 10, 12 times. i didn't stay that long.
cornelius collins: my motherand father split up-- amy protheroe: ask if hismother got clean. cornelius collins: when i 13. my mother got clean. i stayed with dad. sean collins: not myfault, i said. look at her, stickingher oar in. cornelius collins: in and outof detox, rehab, whatever. libby collins (offscreen): mammyand daddy fought fucking
and got clean for 8 weeks. sean collins: it'll belike jeremy kyle now. cornelius collins:i just pissed a whole day on that one. sean collins: let me tellyou something now. she's one bitch. cornelius collins: ah, dad,give it up now, will you? don't speak abouther like that. it's not nice.
sean collins: all right,she's not a bitch. i didn't mean to insultdogs, sorry. amy protheroe: it'sa long story. sean collins: no, it's not. it's a short story. if i have a minute with my son,amy seems to think that that little bit of love in thatminute, she's losing. she won't allow us aboutfive minutes together. amy protheroe: you're thesame, though, sean.
sean collins: quiet. hurry up, because you've gotone minute now, right? [music - dunvant malevoice choir singing] sean collins: i used tobeat you when you were a little baby. libby collins: shut up, dad. sean collins: all i'msaying is the truth. she's one evil person. [all chattering]
libby collins: come on,then, sit up here. cornelius collins: cheese. it's a chaotic familyi got, isn't it? libby collins: there'llbe no chaos. excuse me, you've gota loving family. [choir singing] male speaker (offscreen): in theold days, the way to get out of a situation was boxing. if you wanted to earn a bit ofmoney, you wanted to become a
professional, you wanted toget a bit of money, people went into boxing. so it was physical. the working environmentwas more physical. now we look around, andthere's no jobs left for the kids. and, same as anything else, theywant to make a few bob. and then you've got the peoplewho've got these drugs. right, ok, go and sell these.
take them into schoolyards,where, i know from personal experience, 11 year olds havebeen given cannabis and things in schoolyards. and it comes down to an economicclimate, if you like. that person will grow up to be18, 19, perhaps meet a girl, get married-- drug problem is still there. the children see the parentswith a drug problem, and it's just a never-ending circle.
when the factories closed downand the docks closed down, and you've got the coal tippersgone from the docks. bp closed down. then the steel companycut back. and then you got all thebuilding firms that were pulling out. depression can do a lot ofthings to a lot of people. i can understand why these kidsget so depressed and turn to something like drugs,alcohol, whatever.
it's a sad indictment of oursociety that at 30 years of age, you're on therubbish heap. male speaker: it's not thatthe city was changed. it's the people that's changedit's all about derelict warehouses on the backof the strand down there, for instance. they're now about to be takenover by a lap dancing company. so, showing your knickers offin a club for a couple of quid-- that's ok, is it?
i don't think so. all i can say is only a totalidiot would pay money at the door to go in and watchcrap like that. and if i had a grandchild-- and i've got a couple ofgranddaughters, actually, well, three-- i would hammer them with that. female speaker (offscreen): thisis just basically my job at the moment, whichis really good.
it's good fun, pouring alcoholdown each other's necks, getting wet, breathingfire, stripping off. like, trying something differentand wearing really sexy, beautiful clothes. female speaker: myparents know. yeah, they thinkit's brilliant. it gives me confidence. i wasn't normally aconfident person. it's given me a worldof confidence.
i really enjoy it. female speaker (offscreen):yeah, my parents think it's awesome. my nan actually thinksit's amazing. she said if she was like 60years younger, she'd do it. but, yeah, she's abit old to do it. but they love it. female speaker (offscreen): mymum wants to come do it too. she wants to come and dancearound the poles.
female speaker (offscreen): ithink they're actually proud of the fact that we're goingout there, and we're independent females who can dothis kind of thing and just be amazingly proud of it. we have a really good time. [dog barking] male speaker: i've been livinghere for 12 years. interviewer (offscreen): yeah,and how old are you now? male speaker: 13.
interviewer (offscreen): ok. and how old are you? male speaker: 14. male speaker: prostitutesall the way down there. male speaker: in thoseflats there. male speaker: goofy as hell. they've got [inaudible]all over-- one girl, all over her teeth. she hadn't got none.
they were false. loads of boys speak abouther and that-- like loads of junkiesand all that. interviewer (offscreen): whatdo they do, the junkies? male speaker (offscreen):inject themselves on the street. male speaker (offscreen): coupleof them died the other day up there, didn't they? male speaker: yeah.
a boy, he took valium,isn't it? and he died then. male speaker (offscreen): no,i don't like the muslims. interviewer (offscreen):you don't like them. why not? male speaker: becausethey wouldn't like it if we all emigrated. they wouldn't like it if we allemigrated over to their countries, so why should theycome over to our country?
male speaker: yeah, and theycomes down here, works, gets the money, and thengoes back to their country and spends it. they don't spend it here. taha idris: when somebody hasgot no job, no income, et cetera, and you go and tellthem, have you seen the people out there, the black peopletaking our jobs? people tend to believethat sort of thing. swansea's a verypeaceful place.
you know, it has always beena very peaceful place. i've lived here for almost 40years, and i can honestly say that there has never beenany major discord. the only time i've ever seen abig protest, demonstration in swansea, where people actuallyjoined in thousands, was protesting against the killingof kala kawa karim, or anything of that nature. female speaker: hey! who is it?
who are you? taha idris: goodness me. female speaker: abdul! taha idris: why? taha idris: yeah,come on through. interviewer (offscreen):who are you? female speaker (offscreen):abdul! interviewer (offscreen):"abdul." taha idris: there we are.
that's what happens. you get used to it, honestly. you get used to it. and you start thinking, well,if there is that sort of attitudes around, you can'tdo anything about it. cornelius collins: a mosque? fuck. are you taking the piss, man? why do they want toopen another--
a wosque-- a mosque, whenthere's one opposite? there's one across the road. amy protheroe: i got arrestedfor being racist, right? but he said somethingbehind my back. cornelius collins: he calledher white trash, so she slapped him and smasheda window. he says to her, show me yourtits, and i'll give you free kebab meat. cheeky cunt, innit he?
male speaker: fuck off. all chanting: nazi scum,off our streets! male speaker: what, then? what, then? police officer: i wantyour full name. [chanting and shouting] male speaker: justcharge forward. give it some of that. male speaker: swansea'sa good town.
it's a good town. as long everybody gets on. if you don't get on, well, youcan't make it, can you? i say there's enough room inthe world for everybody, as long as somebody givessome space. cornelius collins: hey, hey. what's happening, boys? oh, a lot of old billabout, isn't it? fucking filth everywhere, man.
oh, they're doing a-- there's my old man, look! amy protheroe: there he is. that's his-- cornelius collins:mr. collins. sean collins: how's it going? how's things? cornelius collins: rememberthis one, do ya? sean collins: where's the bin?
cornelius collins: youall right, man? sean collins: well, i went tothat bnp thing, and i thought, well, it's a load of fucking-- what's going on? but we do need the jobsfor our boys. and most of them areillegal immigrants. there's no black onthe union jack. there is no white on thestars and stripes. amy protheroe: [inaudible].
cornelius collins: oy, it'd benice if we was working again, dad, wouldn't it? get him off the drugs. amy protheroe: oh, look what hebought me for my birthday. cornelius collins: i'm tryingto get back on the big issue, i am. sean collins: i don't wantthem two to get married. cornelius collins: why? sean collins: would you?
too many-- cornelius collins:we're in love. sean collins: yeah, right. sean collins: i reallydon't want my son to marry this girl. cornelius collins:come on, then. sean collins: she dragshim down, man. since he's been withher, it's like he's gone into the gutter.
she drags him down, man. i don't know why he loves her. love is blind, so they say. i don't know. and it's a sad thing. i'm really sorryfor my son now. i'm sorry for her, forwhat happened-- what she said, you know? that she was abused and that.
amy protheroe: he's notjust my boyfriend. he's my soulmate, my bestfriend, and he's the love of my life. sean collins: i loves him. he loves me. amy protheroe: iloves him, too. sean, why don't weget on, darling? sean collins: whatdo you reckon? amy protheroe: wedo and we don't.
sean collins: you'rea bitch, man. cornelius collins: shutit, you, you cunt. sean collins: well,you asked me why. i'm telling the truth. you are a bitch. eh? you are a bitch, you know. interviewer (offscreen): hepulled your hair out? amy protheroe: yeah.
and he smashed the phone up. sean collins (offsreen):i did, yes. i shouldn't have, but i did. i am very sorry. you know that, don't you? cornelius collins:the collins clan. the collins clan. clint ryan jones: hello. how are you?
interviewer (offscreen):how are you? clint ryan jones: allright, thank you. interviewer (offscreen):good to see you. clint ryan jones:i've cleaned up. i'm clean. interviewer (offscreen):you are? clint ryan jones:yeah, i'm clean. i've sorted my head out sincethe last time you've seen me. i went on a detox.
and then, that didn'twork for me. i relapsed. and then they put me ona methadone program. ah, that's better, isn't it? i've come a long way since youlast seen me, you know? interviewer (offscreen): yeah. clint ryan jones: it's nice tosee you fellows, anyway. you too, man. you too.
positive mental attitude. clint ryan jones: yeah. pma. clint ryan jones:it does work. clint ryan jones (offscreen):i've really improved and things. i'm much happier. like, i want to go back tocollege and study social-- is it care?
i'm saving up now for mydaughter, for when i get to see her, to give her a loadof presents and things. because i don't want to bedependent on methadone. no, no way. liquid handcuffs,they call it. that's what they call it--liquid handcuffs, because you've got to stay in the areato take that liquid every day to stop you from being ill. it's impossible.
it's every other door aroundhere is selling it. or if they haven't got it, youknow, it's only down around the corner have got it. you know, it's easy to geta hold of-- so easy to get a hold of. it is. it's getting really worse. it's getting terrible. because of the demand?
clint ryan jones: well, it'snot so much as that. it's the money that's beingmade off it, you know? people are making thousandsupon thousands of pounds off it. i'm ashamed to say iused to sell it. i used to make, easy,1,500 pounds a day. and i'd still be livinglike a scruff. i'd do a snowball,as they call it-- mix heroin with crack andhave one hell of a
fantastic head on. but you've still got to wakeup to the same shit the following day, you know? i've turned my life aroundnow, and i've sorted myself out. and i wouldn't dare touchanother bag of it in my life. cornelius collins: hey, cat. guess what we done yesterday? interviewer (offscreen): whathappened yesterday?
cornelius collins: lostour fucking money. amy gets paid on a wednesday. i get paid on thursday. she's coming. said she had the car. there she is. she's crying. cornelius collins: amy, wouldyou be nice and not hit me? you poured cider allover my hair, man.
cornelius collins: what? why? amy, why? because you fucking-- amy protheroe: youfucked my mother. cornelius collins: i didn'tfuck your mother. amy. amy protheroe: i'm homeless. look what you've done.
cornelius collins: lookwhat i've done. hold on. right, amy? it's either do that, right,or hit you back? what do you want me to do? do you want a punch? or do you want a fuckingdribble of cider chucked at you? i'm not having it, amy.
amy, your mother and fogeyyesterday, right, told me and you you're lucky i haven'tfucking hit you. that's what they said. you're lucky you haven'thad a fucking hiding. do you know if you weren'tmy girlfriend-- cornelius collins: amy,fuck off, right? amy protheroe: he's alwaysabandoning me. i've fucked my own mother. her lips are long, man.
don't they sag down a bit? cornelius collins (offscreen):i know you've fucked your own mother, amy. you've told me, man. amy protheroe: don't theysag down a bit? cornelius collins: fuck off. you knows i wouldn'tshag your mother. would you risk shagging yourgirlfriend's mother when your girlfriend's on the settee,you're out in the kitchen
looking for cider with yourgirlfriend's mother. and her boyfriend-- no, her mother's boyfriend--is upstairs, who's fucking loopy, who's been to jail forkidnapping and smashing people's toes off. and he's fucking psychoto the max. would you risk shagginghis missus downstairs while he's upstairs? would you?
interviewer (offscreen):i wouldn't. cornelius collins:would you, adam? interviewer (offscreen):mm-mm. cornelius collins: would do? interviewer (offscreen): no. cornelius collins:so fuck you. i wouldn't neither. you knows i don'tlike violence. you knows i don'tlike fighting.
so am i gonna risk havingmy fucking hand chopped off with an axe? cornelius collins:not my problem. i'll give you one glassand that's it. i'm not having you takea piss ut of me. telling me i shagged yourfucking mother. how are you so insecure? amy protheroe: corneil, i paidthe money [inaudible]. cornelius collins: why don'tyou go do a punter?
quicker than begging,isn't it? amy protheroe: i hadto beg for the 17 pounds my mother robbed. and i'm only allowedto have one. can i have the cider? it's just gonna make me ill. cornelius collins: fuckingfill your glass up, and shut up. you're being dopey.
cornelius collins: oh, wellfuck off then, if you're gonna go. i just don't know whyyou're being nasty. amy protheroe: fillit up, will you? fuck's sake. cornelius collins: look atthe way you're talking. get off my-- hey. kick my glass on the floor. get all dirt all over it.
thanks. i'm in agony, right? yesterday, she punched me fourtimes in the bollocks. and she's fucked my other--she's fucked my only decent bollock up. one's fucked already from 11years ago, as she knows, and she's gonna fucking punchme four times. and i've got a pain in mystomach at the moment. my bollocks are fuckingkilling.
amy protheroe (offscreen):you're fucking lying. cornelius collins: i'm lying? did you know i had a fuckingdodgy bollock, then? cornelius collins: was is muchbigger than the other one? amy protheroe (offscreen):don't know. you don't know. amy protheroe: why can'tyou give me some cider? cornelius collins (offsreen):i just gave you a glass. amy protheroe: i want youto give me some more.
cornelius collins: all right,[inaudible], huh? are you going toknock it over? cornelius collins(offsreen): amy. cornelius collins: what amy protheroe (offscreen):[inaudible] cornelius collins: oh, phwor. poor little amy. lee dennis (offscreen): i feela lot better in myself. i mean i've been cleannow a good few weeks.
there's a few boys on thebikes by here, look. [engines revving] lee dennis (offscreen):little kids, eh? some mad times we used tohave up here as kids-- setting cars on fire. good boy. the rabbits and the hares andthat-- many times we'd come up here, early hours of themorning, and you could see eyes running everywhere.
we used to try to chasing themin a stolen car and try killing them and stuffyou know what i mean? off our face, drunk and stuff,you know what i mean? many times, the farmer used tocome out with his rice gun and shoot us with his rice-- rice cartridges. and they used to sting likehell, especially if they catch you on the arse, like. you know, i wish i'd stuck withthe old crowd, instead of
all the heroin usersand stuff. years ago, i could count a goodfew friends on my hand. but now, they disowned me, typeof thing, for the heroin. if i'd known how bad heroin was,i wouldn't have tried it. it's a bad drug. it' a dirty drug. but it's a nice drug as well. it's a nice feeling off it. now, i wake up in the morning, igo down to get my methadone,
i drink my methadone, and i tryto keep myself occupied then by going over to mysister's or my mum's that i made when i was inprison before. interviewer (offscreen):you did? lee dennis: yeah, gypsy caravanout of matches. nodding head-- when i put my reggae on, hishead rocks back and forth. drug testing kit that i done yesterday, which is a negative.
they test you for heroinand crack cocaine. and there's two lines-- negative. now i just want to be normalnow, try and get myself a decent job. interviewer (offscreen):when you look back on it, how do you feel? lee dennis: tell youthe truth, man, i think i'm an asshole.
put my family through somuch shit and trouble. many a times, i said i've loveto move away and that, but really, i won't. it's my hometown, and all myfamily are in swansea. i don't think i'veever move away. amy protheroe: if i didn't havecorneil, i think i would have killed myself by now. he's what keeps me going. you're my rock, aren't you?
cornelius collins: oh, baby. amy protheroe: he's my rock. well, we loves each otherto bits, don't we? cornelius collins:we do, yeah. cornelius collins: welove each other. amy protheroe: we're engaged. he got me an engagementring for my 18th birthday, remember? cornelius collins: just founda bottle of wine.
that is when i had student ofthe year award in swansea college, tychoch college, fornvq level 1 business studies. or was it level 2? i can't remember now. level 2, i think it was. no, gnvq foundation level 1. and i look like igot lipstick on. amy protheroe: he done acatering course, business studies course.
cornelius collins:what's that say? amy protheroe: haveyou got fucking lip balm on or something? cornelius collins: don't i looklike i got lipstick on? i look weird, don't i, man? amy protheroe: i love you. see, look at that. look at all that-- all stale blood.
cornelius collins: seethis bit here? that was all up the wall. it was a shit hole. amy protheroe: lookat my pillow case. there's blood on it. he got me all of my shampoos. these shampoos-- he didn'tget me cheap ones. he got me that. he got me perfume.
cornelius collins:do you like that? from next, but i didn't actuallyhave it in next. it was three or four quid inone of the charity shops. amy protheroe: hebought me that. i haven't worn it yet. look, al the tagsare still on it. cornelius collins (offscreen):knickers amy protheroe: my pajama set-- my minnie mouse.
i'd love to be pretty. cornelius collins (offscreen):you are pretty. amy protheroe: me? i looks like a fucking dog. cornelius collins (offscreen):shut up, twat. amy protheroe: i'm fat. look at the size of me. look how fat i am. cornelius collins: she'snot fat, is she?
amy protheroe: aren't i fat? my ass is huge. cornelius collins: you'remore of a twat than fat. turn around and showthem your feet. cornelius collins: no, idon't want to do that. amy protheroe: don'tbe a big baby. turn around. if you love me, you will. cornelius collins: stop it.
look, look. they're not well, are they? lift your foot up. cornelius collins: no way. stop it, man. it's embarrassing. amy protheroe: please. cornelius collins: the red'sburning right there. it's all burning.
amy protheroe (offscreen):he's been crying. every time he walks, it's likehe's just been bum raped. cornelius collins: it'scalled trench foot. they used to get in the war. yeah, i bought the trainers. was it me that boughtthe trainers? cornelius collins: she wokeup, and somebody had taken them off her fuckingfeet, man. amy protheroe: mylittle zebra.
what's he do now? how do you do it? [cowboy-like shoutingfrom toy] cornelius collins (offscreen):woohoo. amy protheroe: my mothersent me to live with this bloke, right? he was 31 and i was 13. he used to make me sleep withhis friends and that. they used to know whatwas going on.
they used to watchhim beat me up. and they used to watchhim send me to the bedroom with other men. and my mother did nothing,because he used to give her 50 pounds' worth of heroinfor free. i had to have sex withmy mother and her partner as well. so it hasn't been a reallygood life, but-- it's tough, isn't it?
cornelius collins (offscreen):let's talk about something else, amy. amy protheroe: the first timehis father ever hit me, his father misplaced 20 pounds. and we didn't have it. i had my maternity grant. i was six months pregnant. his father threw me on thefloor, ripped my hair out, slapped me in the face, spat onmy face, and within three
weeks, the baby died. [music - dunvant malevoice choir singing "si hei lwli mabi"] female speaker (offscreen):are you ready, boys? clint ryan jones: this is theone now, "don't do drugs." some of my friendssang some of it. female singer (offscreen): i wassitting on a log and along came a frog. he said, do you wantto smoke some pot?
i said, i'd rather not. he said he slung hash, comeon and give me your cash. you mean you want my money? you must be tryingto be funny. i don't do drugs. clint ryan jones: i relapseda fortnight ago. so i went to put a needlein, and i missed. and it went in to an abscess. i've lost my wife,my three kids.
now, all i want in life is tobe a family and to be loved. i've never been loved. i've never had a mother orfather that loved me. basically, i was abused. instead of having a cutch,i'd be fucking punched around, you know? but i am going to be the bestdaddy going when i get to the stage i can say, fuck it. i don't want no more.
that was me demonstrating on thevery last fucking bag i'll ever do in my wholeentire life. i missed a bit. but there's the fucking hole itleft me with, which isn't a fucking pleasurable sight,as you can see. mums, dads, don't turn yourback on your children. always be there. give them plenty of loveand attention. once chance you haveof living.
don't blow it. that's all for now. nice one. clint ryan jones. thank you. clint ryan jones: clean andserene for 30 days. clean and serenefor six months. interviewer (offscreen):how did you get the six months one?
clint ryan jones: because iwas clean for six months. interviewer (offscreen): when? clint ryan jones: when wasi clean for six months? no, three months iwas clean for. they gave me thewrong keyring. [music - dunvant malevoice choir]
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